Tuesday, January 22, 2013

It's not about duck hunting!


Anonymous said...

WOW! Sooooo right!

All anyone needs is one incident when they SHOULD have had a gun, but couldn't because of stupid laws. Lives are definitely lost because of that, people maimed, you name it. I was there at 19 years of age. I saved a life, but I could have prevented the incident had I been able to be armed. Would I have used it, you bet. Did it change my perspective, I don't believe so, but it did set it in granite.


Karl said...

Serendipity: One of the most noble deeds one can do, is to save another. I commend you for it.

Impressing upon your senators and representatives, why you need to maintain the right to do so.

Pam said...

Hi Karl! Long time no see. This is the best thing, best argument, most eloquent statements I have ever seen on this subject. I don't own a weapon but maybe now is the time to get one, while I still can. :) Hope all is well with you and yours!

moi said...


I have many liberal friends who point out that, A. When faced with the chaos of a mass shooting, even the most well-trained, cool-headed gun wielder is unlikely to be able to take out the shooter and B. Regardless of how well-armed, private citizens will never be able to successfully resist a much more highly organized tyrannical force.

My reply? It doesn't matter. What matters in each case is that trying is better than acceptance of the status quo.

For nearly a thousand years, the right to bear arms was reserved for the elite. After all, that's how they remained the elite. The U.S. Constitution guaranteed something unprecedented in the history of politics and that was the right of the people, elite or no, to defend themselves. It meant that if the big guys had guns, so too did the little guys. A guarantee, even if only on paper, against tyranny.

moi said...

Did you listen to Ice-T's interview? He came right out and said, we have the right to bear arms to protect ourselves against the police.

Karl said...

Pam: I would advise not purchasing a weapon now. As the market is ridiculously overpriced. I would suggest that you write your senators and your representatives. Making the point, what the President and Senator Feinstein are suggesting will not solve the problem.

Moi: The recent West Coast mall shooter was stopped by a concealed carry shopper brandishing his weapon. The argument doesn't work, these people choose their targets because they know their victims are unarmed. Argument B is from a group of people that have no concept of fighting as an insurgency. I would also suggest impressing upon them the importance of stopping tyrannical forces legislatively before they're are allowed to start implementing their policies. If that fails, is it better to die walking into a gas chamber or pulling the trigger against your enemy. I will choose the latter.

I had to look up Ice-T. He has many interviews, so I'm not sure which one you mean. The however from what I can gather. I agree with his position on bearing arms.

Aunty Belle said...

Great discussion---here is somethin' to chew on:

"Even as the gun-control debate rises again in the U.S. in the aftermath of the horrific school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the gun-loving Swiss are not about to lay down their arms."

Read more: http://world.time.com/2012/12/20/the-swiss-difference-a-gun-culture-that-works/#ixzz2JQIiuljj

Karl said...

Aunty Belle: A good article and I'm aware of using the Swiss example for the American situation. It's not the gun culture. It's the mental health issues and societies unwillingness to deal with those issues. That are the root of the problem.

chickory said...

They are not going to talk about how almost all mass murder shootings and killings (like the woman who drowned her 5 kids) are people on serotonin uptake inhibitors / anti depressants. The news media works for the State and the State has an agenda therefore all incidents will be presented in a way that exploits the emotions of the people to that end. Then you have the media making anti-heroes out of the shooters. This guy has it right:


The only disagreement I have with this post is the efficacy of writing anyone of the politcal class about anything. They are lost to us. I think DHS knows what time it is. Let's see, they just acquired 7000+ personal defense weapons (see, its only called an assault rifle when serfs hold one) and millions of hollow point rounds.

On the bright side are the growing number of sheriffs who say they will refuse to do whatever the Feds instruct them to do with regard to gun bans, seizures, and registrations. You have a better chance of making sure your local sheriff knows what this is than writing some fattened pig in a suit in DC.

chickory said...

and congratulations on your well deserved haiku win.

Anonymous said...

Karl, I agree with your advice to be heard. Bur I respectfully disagree with your advice to Pam not to arm herself. True, price has gone up and will continue to climb as the restrictions become known, but now is the time to act. In my opinion all women should arm themselves and learn how to use their firearms. In fact not only their own firearm, but as many different styles and actions as they can find to learn on.

You never know when you might need your own, or to pick up someone else's firearm during a critical situation. Fumbling is unaffordable. I don't understand why every woman in the counrty isn't armed - especially mothers who are responsible for the safety of their children as well as their own defense. The cops are too far away if it will take more than seconds to respond. How often is a cop at your elbow?

And then there are our liberties. I could continure a rant for a long time.

One nice thing about where I live is that guns are so commonplace they don't even attract attention. Now and again you even see openly holstered sidearms in the grocery store, and no one says anything, unless they ask what event the person just left, or if they saw any griz where they were.

A friend of mine has a bumper sticker on her truck "This is Wyoming, Consider Us All Armed!" Even the most liberal of housholds contain guns and shooters. And yes, folks here ARE polite.


Karl said...

Chickory: You may be right. I hope not. Voting from the rooftop should be the last option.

Serendipity: I agree with you completely on both women should be armed and the areas with the highest arms concentration have the lowest crime. I was more reacting too Pam's comment "of getting one now or while she still can". I don't believe they're going to go way. I'm also sure that people of Pam's character will still be able to legally purchase a weapon. Although in purchasing a weapon there's also the responsibility that goes with ownership. Taking proper training, not just an 8 hour here's how you point and shoot it. And practicing the training, so that the buyer can effectively use the weapon when the time comes to do so.